Tortoises Farm in Brazil

[Maria]

Due I received new offers from side of Worldwide Fauna Company (Mr. Duncan Mcrae & Rayan Weaver), I would like to show photos sent by their side on this Forum!
On pictures attached, it is possible to see the following:
*** photo no. 1 - Brasialian breeder is checking your Red-foot Tortoises on their breeding place
*** photo no. 2 - babies exposed
*** photo no. 3 - babies in breeder's hands
*** photo no. 4 - captive born Phrynops hilarii
*** photo no. 5 - captive born Trachemys dorbignii
*** photo no. 6 - captive born Albino Trachemys dorbignii
*** photo no. 7 - Albino Red-footed male
*** photo no. 8 - Albino Red-footed male
Note: Albino male on photos no. 7 & 8, shoud be the same male offered to me 2 - 3 years ago (the photo of this male was included in Tarta Club Forum earlier, too). Evidently, due to high price asked for this animal, brazilian breeder was not in position to sell him out till present time!
Yours truly, Marco

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[anto]

Continui a sorprenderci con foto eccezzionali!
BRAVO!
Continua così...

[Maria]

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Messaggio inserito da anto

Continui a sorprenderci con foto eccezzionali!
BRAVO!
Continua così...

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Thank you, dear friend,
A also received some photos made in Mexico, in one breeding farm over there. Now, you can see their breeding conditions, and species they are breeding and exporting on the base of legaly issued CB export permits, as follows:
*** photo 1 - breeding exclosure for Tortoises (some Gopherus species evidently);
*** photo 2 - Tortoises matting in captivity;
*** photo 3 - captive born Trachemys scripta venusta;
*** photo 4 - adult specimen of Trachemys scripta venusta;
*** photo 5 - Gopherus berlandieri (for me, this photo was made outside of farm, i.e. in open nature condition.
So, you can see, breeding enclosures are not so beautyfull, but they are giving sucessfull results, and good captive born export stock every year.
Unfortunately, the supplying prices are still very high. As example, for Texas Desert Tortoises (Gopherus berlandieri), they are asking over US$ 1,000.00/each for small orders, i.e. for private breeder's orders. For bigger orders, i.e. dealers orders, they are decreasing price significatory, i.e. till US$ 600.00/each, but who is capable to make big orders to them!?
Yours truly, Marco

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[Maria]

Dear Friends,
I forget to let you know something in the beginning, to evitate new doubts and suspect in my intentions, as follows:
a) I only would like to inform you in captive bred of Tortoises/Turtles worlwide, because many good breeders are existing in different countries. And, it is the way to get good animals for our own bred at reasonable prices (unfortunately, not always at good prices!);
b) animals on attached pictures ARE NOT ANIMALS OF MINE (unfortunately, because I would be very happy to have some of them on my farm over here);
c) I never imported animals on mentioned pictures from two very simple reasons:
- absence of money (the species of my interest are still very expensive, as Geochelone chilensis and Gopherus berlandieri; and
- my interested to have enough large stock to obtain breeding success
(it means, I would like to work with at least 10 heads of the same species, to be able to work in them well. I am always affraid in good breeding success with 1 pair of one species only!).

Of course, I love all South American Tortoises species very much, particularly because Red-footed Tortoises are having few geografical variations and few Mutations available. But, for Red-footed and Yellow-footed Tortoises I am having not adequate breeding conditions (tropical rain-forest animals), and I am not ready to go inside experiments with them. Loss of one animal unnecessary is much worst tragedy, than loose money in the value of 10 animals of the same species. I hope, you understand me!
So, I am preffering to work in much hard species, as Chaco Tortoises (G. chilensis) and Gopherus ssp. now, beause I could provide conditions alike naturals much easier. It of course depend on breeding success on my farm for next year, to be able to import some of them maybe!
Yours faithfully, Marco

[giulietta]

Woah che bei recinti!!! e come Anto continui a sorprenderci!b

[Adele BS]

Thank you very much for these wonderful pictures!
I've expecially appreciated the babies in the 2th and in the 3th photos! Are they Red-food tortoises?

[FrancescoM]

Semplicemente strepitoso!

[DelorenziDanilo]

povera la carbonaria albina!
sembra avere la pelle tutta rovinata.. che sia a causa del fatto che le tarta albine sono più delicate?

[luca1988]

Sei proprio appassionato di tarte..complimenti..

[Fede]

Posso anche dire una stupidaggine ma secondo me è un po come per noi: le persone con la pelle molto chiara sono più "delicate" quindi devono stare attente ad esporsi ai raggi solari, devono proteggersi maggiormente...gli albini più di tutti. Questo forse vale anche per le tarta albine....forse non necessitano dei "bagni di sole" che normalmente fanno le altre tartarughe....

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povera la carbonaria albina!
sembra avere la pelle tutta rovinata.. che sia a causa del fatto che le tarta albine sono più delicate?

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[Maria]

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Thank you very much for these wonderful pictures!
I've expecially appreciated the babies in the 2th and in the 3th photos! Are they Red-food tortoises?

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Yes, of course, they are all Red-foot (G. carbonaria), normal Cherry-head ones, and hypomelanistic ones. As you can see, this guy is having great number of hypomelanistic each year, and this color is not so rare by breeders!
Yours truly, Marco

[Maria]

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povera la carbonaria albina!
sembra avere la pelle tutta rovinata.. che sia a causa del fatto che le tarta albine sono più delicate?

Yes, of course, dear Danilo, you are right. This male is alwasy having the same position practicaly. Evidantly, brazilian breeder took care about him in his feeding and keeping, but without knowledge of his sensitivity on sun rays, possible heamoraghia, etc... I am suspicious in future breeding potential of this male!? As I already wrote to you, this male was offered on the market 2 - 3 years ago (in the size of 21 cm in total) and, at the price of US$ 20,000.00!!!! Evidently, this animals is still available for sale, becuase brazilian breeder was not able to sell him out. And, I am having not evidence about new offsprings in this color by the same breeder. It means, this male never bred on this farm!
Yours truly, Marco

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[Maria]

[quote]Messaggio inserito da Fede

Posso anche dire una stupidaggine ma secondo me è un po come per noi: le persone con la pelle molto chiara sono più "delicate" quindi devono stare attente ad esporsi ai raggi solari, devono proteggersi maggiormente...gli albini più di tutti. Questo forse vale anche per le tarta albine....forse non necessitano dei "bagni di sole" che normalmente fanno le altre tartarughe....


You are completely right, dear Federica, it is truth. Animals like this are very sensitive, and it is difficult to bred them. As example, in wild in India is possible to find albino Morenia pettersi frequently (nobody know what is reason of thier albinity, but its existing). Of course, some local breeders are taking over these albino specimens from wild trying to bred them in captivity, with no results. All of them fail, due to poor knowledge of high sensitivity of albino specimens, and special conditions for their long life in enclosed place!
Warmest regards, Marco